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| Didn't expect Jolenta & Nowak to cross paths without even recognizing each other. And what's stranger, is that no matter how many people die, Nowak somehow still continues to live on. Rafal died, Badeni died, and lastly, Jolenta, and Nowak still somehow pushing on. Only 5 episodes left, excited to know how this would conclude. |
| I was so naive thinking Jolenta could get a happy ending. 😥 I am curious to see how Novak will learn about his daughter. Something's telling me he will and it will affect him somehow. |
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| This show is so peak. Great episode as usual |
| Before Jolenta died, the imagery is great. She looks at the heavens and the scenes from the past are flashing before her. But damn! I'm so disappointed that she was unable to confront her father. He didn't even see that she was alive all this time, and now she is dead. Heck, he didn't even know that the dead leader is his daughter. Other that that, I like the intellectual duel between Plato and Aristotle. They represent different philosophical traditions even though Aristotle was Plato's pupil. |
| 'I am the world's most selfish man.' (俺のわがまま世界１だ) — Tennjouji Haru |
| Was this Peak what I just watched? The dialogues in this episode were particularly good, especially the last one between Draka and Jolenta! It really makes you think about the purpose of life, and how, in a way, all of we want to make something that marks history, since that's the only way we can our life eternal on Earth. By Draka's reaction, it's clear that "making money" isn't much of a conviction that she thought it was, and next episode we'll probably see some change in her after that. I was so happy to have Jolenta back, but the authors really said "Hm, enough happy time, let's kill Jolenta" :( Best character in the series, that's for sure! Jolenta the GOAT! I have never seen a family reuinion so tragic as this one. In the end, Jolenta and Nowak never met eacho other again since that day, and that pains me to see. For a second time, Nowak led to his own's daughter death, without even realizing it. The scene with Jolenta's arm flying off due to the explosion was just CINEMATIC. I loved it. I wonder if Nowak will discover the truth somehow. For now, he still thinks it was heliocentrism that killed his daughter, when it was the own church that killed Jolenta (and now him...). And the reality check that Draka had at the end just shows we still have a lot to go. I wonder what the 2 knights will do against the liberation force. The ending shows a lot of burning. It that hinting towards the possibility of the liberation force starting to print the books, and the Church burning it all down? If that was to happen, it would be tragic, and Draka would be the only one able to save the situation, since she knows it word by word. Now that I think of it, only 5 more episodes to go for Orb to end! It's crazy! I have been watching this since October, and I can't believe it's already coming to an end. It has become an habit for me to watch this weekly, so saying goodbye to this amazing anime is going to be hard. But that's for later, we still have 5 episodes. Can't wait for next week! R.I.P. Jolenta |
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And that's it for Jolenta. Her becoming a martyr was not something I expected to happen so soon but in the way things were going the death flags kept rising so it was to be expected. The way each character has their interpretation about God, religion and life for what it is makes this quite the thought provoking anime, one that raises many questions without expecting a definitive answer but a debate and a self reflection for the future.
Man, with this literal banger people are still not talking about it? Really?
Man, with this literal banger people are still not talking about it? Really?
rasterman7 said: Man, with this literal banger people are still not talking about it? Really? For real, how has this anime not started picking up a lot of popularity after being this good, and having a score of 8.4? |
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And people complain that AOT kills off too many characters...
I can't believe they killed off every remaining character, Novak might as well be dead.
I looked forward for an emotional meetup, but what transpired is consistent with the philosophy and themes explored so far.
I can't believe they killed off every remaining character, Novak might as well be dead.
I looked forward for an emotional meetup, but what transpired is consistent with the philosophy and themes explored so far.
AnimeGirlGusher said: And people complain that AOT kills off too many characters... I can't believe they killed off every remaining character, Novak might as well be dead. This is so true, it's like I'm watching AOT all over again. It's incredible that Nowak is the only character from the beginning of the anime that is still alive. |
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This makes me realize all over again just how next-level Japanese voice actors are. Jolenta’s performance here really had me believing that 25 years had passed for her character.
Woodmann said: This makes me realize all over again just how next-level Japanese voice actors are. Jolenta’s performance here really had me believing that 25 years had passed for her character. Wait, the 39-years old Jolenta had the same voice actor as the 14 years old one? |
PokefanPT said: rasterman7 said: Man, with this literal banger people are still not talking about it? Really? For real, how has this anime not started picking up a lot of popularity after being this good, and having a score of 8.4? I think 8.4 is actually already a high score for a non-conventional anime like this, considering the majority of newer anime fans mainly rate a show based on animations and battles. The members number is quite high, too. |
| Really hope Novak figures out the truth before it's too late. It’s tough watching him so blinded by revenge, going after people who have nothing to do with it, all because of those who fooled him. Honestly, it kinda feels like he's the real protagonist at this point. |
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PokefanPT said:
For real, how has this anime not started picking up a lot of popularity after being this good, and having a score of 8.4?
rasterman7 said:
Man, with this literal banger people are still not talking about it? Really?
Man, with this literal banger people are still not talking about it? Really?
For real, how has this anime not started picking up a lot of popularity after being this good, and having a score of 8.4?
I think 8.4 is actually already a high score for a non-conventional anime like this, considering the majority of newer anime fans mainly rate a show based on animations and battles.
The members number is quite high, too.
WhiteTestament said: I think 8.4 is actually already a high score for a non-conventional anime like this, considering the majority of newer anime fans mainly rate a show based on animations and battles. The members number is quite high, too. Exactly, the score is quite high! My comment probably wasn't clear, but what I was trying to say is that 8.4 is a really good score, and it's curious to see that it isn't making more people check this anime (I personally haven't watched that many anime with more than 8.4 of a score). The members number is good, but I don't know, it deserved more attention, I don't see many people talking about it. But I remember perfectly that before this anime started airing it barely had any noise about it, so at least it started to grow a lot after that! |
bro it feels like I've watched 100 episodes and it's only been 20 |
| What a tragedy for Nowak that he couldn't recognize his own daughter even as she blew herself to bits and sent her smoking arm hurtling down in front of him. He got to hold hands with her one last time, the same hand he purchased those gloves for, just as featured in the intro, and it was the detached fragment of a corpse he was seemingly oblivious to. This is a man that has become so consumed by his own single-minded idea of revenge and salvation that he has inadvertently damned himself. I think Jolenta would cry for him if she knew how much of his life he has thrown away over this nonsense. It's a tragedy for them both, really. PokefanPT said: Exactly, the score is quite high! My comment probably wasn't clear, but what I was trying to say is that 8.4 is a really good score, and it's curious to see that it isn't making more people check this anime (I personally haven't watched that many anime with more than 8.4 of a score). The members number is good, but I don't know, it deserved more attention, I don't see many people talking about it. But I remember perfectly that before this anime started airing it barely had any noise about it, so at least it started to grow a lot after that! If that's the case, then it's probably because this series is very plot-based rather than character-based or a vehicle for showing off flashy high quality animation. And the plot is basically the evolution of a scientific idea, popular understanding of a scientific idea, and the philosophical concept of the cumulative influence of certain scientific and religious ideas and competing ideologies on different subsets and generations of humanity over long time scales, how they drive progress (and the fight over defining what constitutes "progress" in people's eyes), and how they influence the people caught up in them who may internalize grand ideas to drive their lifestyle and personal choices. So I feel as if a lot of people either aren't interested in discussing that or perhaps find it interesting but don't feel that they have much to add or contribute themselves on top of it. |
WatchTillTandavaFeb 9, 9:03 PM
Builder45 said: Fck dude,this is how the reunion went down?Novak prob noticed but did Jolenta recognized its him?Worst of all now i dont see how he could figure out it was all Antonis doing,only hope is that blonde inquisitor kid he mentored for. Got more depth for Lewandowski and im still pretty suspicious about Frei.He did seemed opposed went they wanted to publish the book.Seems like theyre in hot water,feel like its a confirmed that Draka will be the one to carry out the plan. By his reaction, i think he didnt notice. Would say probably ahe noticed more then him. I loved this, but at the same time, i wanted ro see them reunited. But real life has alot of this. Damn, she deserved better, cant we have a mc be happy in this. |
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| Cruelty of this show... Everytime every character. The Jolenta Nowak reunion/confrontation also didn't happen, just simple end. Both of them atleast needed to see eachother. Maybe Jolenta did see him at her last second probably why she smiled. My copimum.  Rip Jolenta.. |
| can't wait to Nowak realize whats up then he about to lock tf in. |
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| What a depressing end for Jolenta but a huge leap for heliocentrism |
| Deep dark fantasies |
| The second most impactful death after Rafal's, at least for me. I felt really emotional because she was already preparing for her death... and it was in front of her father! But they were both unaware of each other! I was hoping they'd at least look each other in the eye and realize they were father and daughter but Jolenta blew herself up right when Nowak almost saw her. Rest in peace, Jolenta. There are only 5 episodes left and I'm honestly curious to see how it goes. I mean, we've always been given main characters who believe in heliocentrism before. This time, the four of them, especially Draka, are doing this task because of their own beliefs but none of them are related to heliocentrism. Let's see.. |
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| Unexpected. No "epic showdown" between father and daughter. Nowak was an ass but I'm still glad he didn't see or realize who the leader was. That would've been cruel. RiP Jolenta. |
| Oh shit Jolenta and Nowak didnt even get to meet again but for a fraction of a second. I do kind of wonder if she really is dead or if she just had a decoy body but im going to assume she is dead since that would be taking a risk to not die for real. WatchTillTandava said: What a tragedy for Nowak that he couldn't recognize his own daughter even as she blew herself to bits and sent her smoking arm hurtling down in front of him. He got to hold hands with her one last time, the same hand he purchased those gloves for, just as featured in the intro, and it was the detached fragment of a corpse he was seemingly oblivious to. This is a man that has become so consumed by his own single-minded idea of revenge and salvation that he has inadvertently damned himself. I think Jolenta would cry for him if she knew how much of his life he has thrown away over this nonsense. It's a tragedy for them both, really. It was implied subtly that he subconsciously recognized her when he said "just now…for a brief second…" and trailed off. Him holding her severed hand mirrored how he held her gloves too. Of course he wouldn't consciously recognize his daughter being 25 years older and only have a brief glimpse of her while assuming she was killed long ago. It is a tragedy though. |
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Soujirama said: @Kitsune_089 The world isn't worried about your needs and expectations. In fact, the real good stories are there to frustrate them. Think about it and do grow up stfu you pretentious little shit |
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| WOW, Jolenta dissapeared of the anime with a great explosion!!! She could watch her father one more time!! Tragic final again! kekeke |
| Off Jolenta goes, Nowak deserves not realizing he broke his own daughter twice. First mentally then physically |
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| Bro this is actually evil. This show is clearly stated to be more plot centric than character centric, unlike most anime are, still the effort the author made to write the protagonists to be likable is simply admirable. What strikes me the most is how it is always acknowledge they follow inherently flawed ideals, which is something we realize both as a dramatic irony standpoint because what they only trust as a theory (heliocentrism) we the audience know is the true model of the solar system, but also inside the narrative, there is always a character to contrast and put their beliefs in question (here mostly Draka which confronts both Shmidt's and Jolenta's ideals, but before it was Badeni and Oczy or Rafaal and Nowak). No one is really presented as a model of virtue and therefore, a character which was initially presented as incarnating pure evil like Nowak, becomes sympathetic as the story progresses because we realize he was also just a cog in the machine, a puppet being controlled by higher forces he cannot go against. That's why I think this failed reunion hurts more than it should, the writing was carefuly handled to make this moment not overly dramatic but implicitly tragic. |
| Once again, we lost another incredible character. I thought we would get a reunion, a proper one. I hope the Nowak’s realized that it was Jolenta. |
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| With the heliocentrism book recreated from memory, the Heretic Liberation Front has no need for Draka, but if anything, she's the one who will spearhead the future. The belief of gods other than man-made ideals have killed scores of people, and that's a fact that Draka hears from one of Schmidt's men. Though Jolenta already has everything prepped according to the book, and the note to which she has to hold on to preserve those who fought against religion to see heliocentrism as it is. Even if Draka didn't do anything, God will still move the world in one way or another, and being the Christian who knows adept that God will not forsake her and the history that followed her to her conviction and beliefs, all her life is for that moment where she first walked away from Nowak and embraced heliocentrism for what it is. A childish belief, yes, but it's to be believed when your whole heart knows the target after, and Jolenta knew that the knights incoming would be after her, the perseveration of generations past before Nowak could see his own daughter on a suicide mission. Of course, it was part of the plan to provide an escape route for the Liberation Front to continue their work, and this too provides a cover that they're able to continue the hope of the book being published without ever being noticed. Draka taking this mission with feelings, is to mean abandonment for the sake of conviction. For the belief of heliocentrism, martyrdom truly is savage, at least for Nowak. |
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| Rest in peace Jolenta 🙏 she did her part. And her dad acted seemingly none the wiser that the one who blew up was her daughter. She gets to join all the heretics that were tortured or burned as sacrifices toward that research. |
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| Lots and lots of monolog, but still enjoyed it. Draka is trusted and has been entrusted by Jolenta, with an important task once the book gets publish. Is that letter to Nowak, i wonder. |
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| God damn man. We barely got anything from Jolenta post timeskip. I thought she'd be a major character till the end, but I guess not. The really fucked thing is Nowak is never going to see his daughter who he thought was dead all this time. Maaaaaaybe he'll still somehow come across the information that she was his daughter, but that would be very cruel. Which means it might actually happen lol. |
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